Comments on: Django and Ruby On Rails http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/ A blog on productivity and self-improvement by Gutata Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:23:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Gutata Blog » Big Thanks to the Django Community http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-17 Gutata Blog » Big Thanks to the Django Community Wed, 16 Aug 2006 05:01:02 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-17 [...] I’m not sure how my previous article got noticed, but while it’s getting some attention, now is a good time to give a big thanks to the Django community for creating a framework that is not frustrating, and dare I say it, fun to use. Kudos to the people who started it: Adrian, Simon, Jacob, and Wilson. And to all those who have contributed. [...] […] I’m not sure how my previous article got noticed, but while it’s getting some attention, now is a good time to give a big thanks to the Django community for creating a framework that is not frustrating, and dare I say it, fun to use. Kudos to the people who started it: Adrian, Simon, Jacob, and Wilson. And to all those who have contributed. […]

]]> By: roberthahn http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-15 roberthahn Mon, 14 Aug 2006 13:17:39 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-15 Adrian, Jeff -- I don't know if holding off marketing 'til 1.0 is a great idea, but since I have never used Django, I don't know what features needs to be polished first. RoR started generating serious buzz around 0.8, IIRC. And I can't see that it's hurt them much to start marketing before 1.0. So maybe you should consider ramping up the marketing as soon as you can. Adrian, Jeff — I don’t know if holding off marketing ’til 1.0 is a great idea, but since I have never used Django, I don’t know what features needs to be polished first.

RoR started generating serious buzz around 0.8, IIRC. And I can’t see that it’s hurt them much to start marketing before 1.0. So maybe you should consider ramping up the marketing as soon as you can.

]]> By: Kyle http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-14 Kyle Mon, 14 Aug 2006 03:39:52 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-14 I think that there's two main reasons to this, and you've hit one of them on the head. It's a major problem (in terms of popularity) that Django doesn't have an immensely popular "application." When developers visit an online magazine or news site, rarely do they think "Wow, I wonder what's powering this site?" However, when someone uses an application like Backpack or 43things, they feel compelled to ask this question. The second point that I believe drives Rails' popularity so much is the amount of immensely passionate and vocal developers that have latched on to the Rails core. It's not to say that Django doesn't have this, but more that the Rails' crew are just louder. I remember the thing that really got me hooked on Rails was watching David explain his reasonings for building the framework to a group of people who had no idea what Rails was. I think that there’s two main reasons to this, and you’ve hit one of them on the head. It’s a major problem (in terms of popularity) that Django doesn’t have an immensely popular “application.” When developers visit an online magazine or news site, rarely do they think “Wow, I wonder what’s powering this site?” However, when someone uses an application like Backpack or 43things, they feel compelled to ask this question.

The second point that I believe drives Rails’ popularity so much is the amount of immensely passionate and vocal developers that have latched on to the Rails core. It’s not to say that Django doesn’t have this, but more that the Rails’ crew are just louder. I remember the thing that really got me hooked on Rails was watching David explain his reasonings for building the framework to a group of people who had no idea what Rails was.

]]> By: Mike http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-13 Mike Sat, 12 Aug 2006 10:10:01 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-13 Thanks for the friendly reminder that Django has not yet made it to 1.0. Because Django is so useful as is, it hadn't crossed my mind that version 0.95 (aka magic-removal) was only recently released. Can't wait to see the Django community get its marketing mojo on. Maybe I should participate more in the community and then I'd know that marketing is on hold. Thanks for the friendly reminder that Django has not yet made it to 1.0. Because Django is so useful as is, it hadn’t crossed my mind that version 0.95 (aka magic-removal) was only recently released.

Can’t wait to see the Django community get its marketing mojo on. Maybe I should participate more in the community and then I’d know that marketing is on hold.

]]> By: Jeff Croft http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-12 Jeff Croft Fri, 11 Aug 2006 15:00:38 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-12 Marketing is the difference, for sure. Adrian has said before that he's got some great marketing ideas for Django, but I think the idea is to wait until 1.0 is out for the big push. I think you're right, though, that a killer transaction-based Django app would go a long way towards giving it the perception of being in the same place as Rails. Most of the really great examples of Django apps out there are publishing-oriented (which makes sense, given its newspaper heritage). These are great apps, but it has led, I believe, to a bit of a perception that Django is for publishing, and Rails is for transactional apps. To you and me, this is clearly an inaccurate perception -- but I can totally see where the outside public might have gotten the idea. Tabloo is probably the closest thing Django has to this kind of "killer app," but from what I can tell, it's not really taking off, popularity wise. Marketing is the difference, for sure. Adrian has said before that he’s got some great marketing ideas for Django, but I think the idea is to wait until 1.0 is out for the big push.

I think you’re right, though, that a killer transaction-based Django app would go a long way towards giving it the perception of being in the same place as Rails. Most of the really great examples of Django apps out there are publishing-oriented (which makes sense, given its newspaper heritage). These are great apps, but it has led, I believe, to a bit of a perception that Django is for publishing, and Rails is for transactional apps. To you and me, this is clearly an inaccurate perception — but I can totally see where the outside public might have gotten the idea.

Tabloo is probably the closest thing Django has to this kind of “killer app,” but from what I can tell, it’s not really taking off, popularity wise.

]]> By: Adrian Holovaty http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-11 Adrian Holovaty Fri, 11 Aug 2006 14:36:32 +0000 http://blog.gutata.com/2006/08/11/django-and-ruby-on-rails/#comment-11 Note that we're intentionally holding off on marketing before we hit version 1.0. Once we do that, the marketing will be orgasmic. Note that we’re intentionally holding off on marketing before we hit version 1.0. Once we do that, the marketing will be orgasmic.

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